Sunglasses

ELECTRA · 06-21-2004

If you use the search feature of this site you will notice that this topic has been discussed before. Questions like: What glasses are good? Cheap? What brand? The truth is, everyone has an opinion. I have noticed however that “Sunglasses people” can be divided into 2 major categories (of course there are others):
1 ) Those who wear sunglasses to protect the eyes from glare, light, UV, dust etc, and cannot leave the house without them.
2 ) Those who wear sunglasses just because it is a fashion statement and could easily spend the day without them and even if they did bring them, the glasses are perched on top of their heads. These people are the group that the marketers love! They are willing to dish out big coin for something the “think” is better. More expensive must be good, and yet they never wear them as they were intended!

I belong to category 1. That being said, I want the best quality and features at the BEST possible price. If you belong to this group too, read the following and perhaps save some coin.
I have had (non-prescription) sunglasses all of my adult life and have tried many brand, shapes styles etc. I have also worked 5 years in an optical lab, grinding glass and plastic lenses for a major outlet. I will share with you what I have learned and perhaps it will help you save money.
The sunglasses industry is one that makes one of the biggest profits in all of marketing.. Lenses and frames cost “Pennies” to make and yet are sold for HUNDREDS of dollars.

GENERAL QUALITY:
This changes little regardless of brand. Frames are Mass produced mostly in Italy & China and, the brand is placed on the frame as per the wishes of the buyer . The quality is generally the same but the prices are not. Major brands will mark up their products several thousands of percentage points!
The “exotic” options that used to “justify” this mark up are now available to all. Things like spring-hinges, anti-reflective coatings, mirror coatings, UVA/UVB treatments titanium frames etc are now common place.
Lenses can be either glass or plastic (polycarbonate).
Glass lenses are hundreds of times more scratch resistant but the trade off is that they can be heavier depending on style and model. You will get “ripped-off” more if you buy glass lenses. They are marketed as being better for a dozen reasons One of the BEST glass lenses on the market today is the “Serengeti Driver”, photo-chromatic lens. This lens darkens as it is exposed to UV light and the optical quality is tops, with NO aberrations but be prepared to shell out some good money (hundreds of dollars) Can you find this quality in a pair of $20 glasses? YES!
Plastic (Polycarbonate) lenses have come a long way. The optical quality can be on par with the best glass lenses. (Within reason, let’s not talk telescopes and microscopes!).

WHEN & WHERE TO BUY?
All the new shipments are done is spring, with a follow –up in summer. Do NOT buy in the specialty sunglasses stores. Do not buy from your optical dispenser. These places are too expensive and carry only the top brands. Go to your department store or drug store.
I have just purchased 2 pair of “Foster Grant” sunglasses with spring hinges, gradient mirrored coating on the outside, anti-reflective coating on the inside. Keep in mind they have 8 adult product lines. Each line has about 6 different styles. The following is from their flyer:

“FosterGrant introduces the Jeff Gordon Driving Series.
The product offering includes 42 styles with a suggested retail price ranging from $15 to $20. The line includes two product classifications, the Pro series and the Driving series. Both lines offer 100% UVA and UVB protection, spring hinges for added comfort and rubber coated plastic frames for a secure grip. “

I chose these because they passed all my tests. “Drivers” lenses (I like the amber color), AR coating, Spring hinges and great fit. I paid $19.23 Canadian. I purchased one pair at Zellers and another at Walmart. Both stores had just received a huge shipment so I was able so hunt through dozens until finding what I wanted. I compared them to my old Serengeti glasses and cannot find any difference in a number of tests. (They are of course polycarbonate and not glass).

FINAL WORD OF WISDOM.
Look for a style and lens color that you like. Look for a proper “fit” that offers good coverage for the eye. Get Spring hinges, they are more comfortable to put on and get off. Look for anti-reflective coating on the inside of the lens. (looks bluish in color). Watch for aberrations, differing shapes and patterns that appear as a faint prismatic ghost image when looking directly at the glasses. You can rejoice at having saved hundreds of dollars! Just think, you now have more money for your holidays.

tommy · 06-21-2004

I am in cat 1 as well....I am blind in my right eye and as Donna says cant see out the other...I wear Oakley's Straight Jackets..Have for about 8 year or so now...I swear by them...Polarized as well... I have bought them many Places...I am on my 4th pair in 8 years...Once because I stepped on them...I gave one pair to my cousin in March due to him not having any so Now I have 2 pairs...One I use for back-up and one for everyday use....I recommend these because they cover the whole eye...no sand or dirt gets in...I have used them riding Jet ski's,riding the river, and all that other kind of stuff...They run me around $120-130 depending on the place and sale...I bought this last pair at Sunglass Hut....I only buy Black or Silver frames...Amber lens...I cant stand a grey lens because it makes everything seem gloomy....They do a fantastic job at blocking out all the glare and uv's....I love them and swear by them...Plus if you break them you can send them to Oakley for about $20 and get them fixed or some new ones....(Frame only)....

saxman · 06-21-2004

This info is great. Additionally, those who fall into category 2 and just have to have the name

might check out www(dot)overstock(dot)com. Last years styles mostly priced at $20 - $50. Most popular brands and styles.

Mikefrost · 06-21-2004

I agree whole heartedly with sun seekers, there is nothing (that I have found) better than Oakleys. I've had M-Frames for pobably 15 years and the customer service is excellent anytime I've had a problem. I also own a pair of Zeroes that I use for everyday wear with contacts and a also a pair of Oakley prescription glasses. I believe that when I'm paying that extra mark up for a pair, I'm also getting great customer service. That's my two cents.

Bumper · 06-21-2004

How about a category 3, which is unfortunate folks like me, who have to buy prescription sunglasses because they're virtually blind without corrective lenses and cannot wear contacts? How badly do I need glasses? Well, lets just say a chum said "Take off your glasses, and read that calendar on the wall." I complied, and responded, "What wall?" I require progressive prescription lenses. Believe me, you don't want to go there! My last pair of sunglasses cost me almost $800, but I have no option but to deal with a dispensing optician, and they've got you by the shorties.

**denisea** · 06-21-2004

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Originally Posted by Bumper

How about a category 3, which is unfortunate folks like me, who have to buy prescription sunglasses because they're virtually blind without corrective lenses and cannot wear contacts?

I fall into this same category. I need prescription sunglasses and cannot wear contacts. My current pair retails for $360 USD, however, I was fortunate to get a 50% discount bringing the cost down to $180 USD. If I don't lose them, (which I've done on 2 separate occasions in Mexico), I typically need to replace them every 3 years, due to the fact that prescriptions in the US are only good for 3 years and my prescription changes every 3 years. I wish $20 sunglasses were an option.

cuffedlinks · 06-21-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumper

How about a category 3, which is unfortunate folks like me, who have to buy prescription sunglasses because they're virtually blind without corrective lenses and cannot wear contacts? How badly do I need glasses? Well, lets just say a chum said "Take off your glasses, and read that calendar on the wall." I complied, and responded, "What wall?" I require progressive prescription lenses. Believe me, you don't want to go there! My last pair of sunglasses cost me almost $800, but I have no option but to deal with a dispensing optician, and they've got you by the shorties.

I too have gone from 20/10 or better (I could once read every line on an eye chart from across the room) to needing slight, yet progressive, correction - So I need to use the magnetic clip-ons that come with my Ben Franklin style frames...

Generally - I NEVER did have the right look to wear the sunglasses on my head, etc. as I came across looking like Olympic Documentarian Bud Greenspan...

Bumper...
I remember once hearing about some "slight yet progressive correction" in far off places, and as I recall it was FAR less than $800....a-hem.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumper

How about a category 3, which is unfortunate folks like me, who have to buy prescription sunglasses because they're virtually blind without corrective lenses and cannot wear contacts? ... but I have no option but to deal with a dispensing optician, and they've got you by the shorties.

As I recall from a previous post...Nothing like your friend who was picked up by the fuzz I hope?

tommy · 06-21-2004

I know what you mean...I do not go outside without Sunglasses except at night....I was shot in the eye at age 10 with a bb gun...Yes I know "you will shoot your eye out with that thing" seen the movie...anyway I use mine for protection as well as sunblock. My vision is 20/40-20/800 I can where One contact lens that is so thick I have to build a callus on my eye lid...Im out! my glasses have one prescription and one clear..I hope its awhile before I have to buy Prescription sunglasses....

Nerak936 · 06-21-2004

I wear glasses (progressive lenses, Bump) and got clip-on polarized sunglasses for them (not the flip-up style (ugh), the ones that clip on the lenses in 4 places). They work really well, but generally when in the sun for a long period of time, I need either a visor or baseball cap to shield the light from up above.

Luckily I found a cheap pair of sunglasses (discount store) to wear last month in Playa when I wore my contacts the days we snorkeled. My David had a pair of Oakleys that he loved. Note had. Can't find them anywhere. Men!!

Get this one: I purposely went through the hassle of getting contacts specifically so I could finally see the fish clearly when snorkeling. AND... they're progressive contacts! So now I can read to the fish as I snorkel. As long as I hold the reading material out at arm's length.... Go figure.

Critter · 06-21-2004

20/600 here correctable to 20/30, new script every 6 moths to a year (cataract starting). Still managing with bifocals and the self tinting lenses (forget what they are called.) About 250 a pair. Contacts have to be semi-hard with a weighted lens. About 320.

I have discovered that the last pair of contacts (98) I can wear while snorkeling and see fairly clearly. Cannot wear them out of the water for long, cause severe headache. Definitely a Cat 3 here.

cuffedlinks · 06-21-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critter

20/600 here correctable to 20/30, new script every 6 moths to a year (cataract starting). Still managing with bifocals and the self tinting lenses (forget what they are called.) About 250 a pair. Contacts have to be semi-hard with a weighted lens. About 320.

I have discovered that the last pair of contacts (98) I can wear while snorkeling and see fairly clearly. Cannot wear them out of the water for long, cause severe headache. Definitely a Cat 3 here.

Say, ... any of you absolutely BLIND people looked into Lasik or RK or whatever they are doing near you...??

It seems the worse off you are - vision wise - the BETTER the results are for your vision correction...

Tommy, Sorry man to hear about your accident in your youth...
Didn't seem to bother you on the Donna score though! You saw that one 20/20 !!

tommy · 06-21-2004

she just felt sorry for me...She was a bartender along time ago and I sat at the bar everynight with a lonley tear in my beer..I was poor man really poor and it took 2 months of asking her out before she saidd yes...I think she just said yes so I would leave her alone... been together ever since...I just got lucky!!!
I have no lens in my left eye and retna damage...they ay be able to do something now but 25 years ago they didnt know a whole lot....it would cost about 20k for a replacment lens and insurance wont cover it....mabe i will if something happens to my other eye.

**denisea** · 06-22-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuffedlinks

Say, ... any of you absolutely BLIND people looked into Lasik or RK or whatever they are doing near you...??

It seems the worse off you are - vision wise - the BETTER the results are for your vision correction...

Looked into Lasik 2 years ago because I hate wearing glasses and cannot wear contacts anymore. I was cleared for surgery with the caveat that I would probably require more than one proceedure or possibly a different type of surgery altogether with a longer recovery period. However, regardless of the proceedure, I was going to need to wear glasses again within 5 years. At a minimum of $2K/eye, I couldn't justify the cost benefit for just 5 years. If I was 30, I would have definitely considered it, but at 40, it just seemed like a waste of money. I was definitely bummed about it. I hate wearing glasses all the time.

cuffedlinks · 06-22-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by denisea

Looked into Lasik 2 years ago because I hate wearing glasses and cannot wear contacts anymore. I was cleared for surgery with the caveat that I would probably require more than one proceedure or possibly a different type of surgery altogether with a longer recovery period. However, regardless of the proceedure, I was going to need to wear glasses again within 5 years. At a minimum of $2K/eye, I couldn't justify the cost benefit for just 5 years. If I was 30, I would have definitely considered it, but at 40, it just seemed like a waste of money. I was definitely bummed about it. I hate wearing glasses all the time.

As the Great Philosopher Charlie Brown would say....
...."rats"!!

ELECTRA · 06-22-2004

True, a category 3 and of course 3.5 etc is needed

: Those who need sunglasses but require corrective vision.
I am fortunate that I can go around (travel/ sight see etc) without corrective vision. I do however have glasses for driving at night or seeing a stage production, a movie, whatever is far away etc. I bring them when I travel in case I need them.

From what I have seen, most clip or magnetic clips that come with glasses feature a polycarbonate lens. The entire thing is "OK" in my humble opinion. But like most things that are "dual Purpose", they rarely do both tasks well.The quality of the dark clip-on leaves much to be desired. Those who are thinking of this option, I reccommend you consider the following. Have 1 pair of "clear" glasses and 1 pair of tinted that you will use as sunglasses. This way you can choose the color and darkness of the tint that you want. Now I know this may be prohibitively expensive...One money saving tip is to try to supply the frames for both pairs.
Look for frames at the above-mentioned department stores. You will pay ~$20 for the frame instead of ~$200!!!
Try to get ones that have screws that allow the removal of the lens (in the case of metal frames). Plastic frames are just a "snap-fit". I like the half frames. The ones that have metal on top and no frame on the bottom. The lens is held in place with a thin nylon line. In either case, always keep the original lens that comes with the frames. It can be used by the optical dispenser as a template for cutting your prescription lens.
Difficult prescriptions (High + or High -)will always be more diffcult to fit into frames. Most other who have "Plug and Play" prescriptions should find the above tip useful.

A couple more thoughts:
Polarized lenses do need time getting used to. They are great around the water but some people find driving with them difficult as they tend to highlight prismatic reflections in windshields and glass.

Photo-chromatic (automatic color darkening) lenses are great for most applications BUT will not fully darken when driving. The lenses are activated by UV and glass filters out most of the UV.

Dark Grey lenses are the least desireable, someone mentioned above that they are depressing, I think so too. I find them too dark and furthermore, some tones of grey take away from the true colors of nature.
Good luck!!

06-21-2004	#1 (permalink)
ELECTRA reposado Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA (unfortunately) Posts: 1,080	Sunglasses If you use the search feature of this site you will notice that this topic has been discussed before. Questions like: What glasses are good? Cheap? What brand? The truth is, everyone has an opinion. I have noticed however that “Sunglasses people” can be divided into 2 major categories (of course there are others): 1 ) Those who wear sunglasses to protect the eyes from glare, light, UV, dust etc, and cannot leave the house without them. 2 ) Those who wear sunglasses just because it is a fashion statement and could easily spend the day without them and even if they did bring them, the glasses are perched on top of their heads. These people are the group that the marketers love! They are willing to dish out big coin for something the “think” is better. More expensive must be good, and yet they never wear them as they were intended! I belong to category 1. That being said, I want the best quality and features at the BEST possible price. If you belong to this group too, read the following and perhaps save some coin. I have had (non-prescription) sunglasses all of my adult life and have tried many brand, shapes styles etc. I have also worked 5 years in an optical lab, grinding glass and plastic lenses for a major outlet. I will share with you what I have learned and perhaps it will help you save money. The sunglasses industry is one that makes one of the biggest profits in all of marketing.. Lenses and frames cost “Pennies” to make and yet are sold for HUNDREDS of dollars. GENERAL QUALITY: This changes little regardless of brand. Frames are Mass produced mostly in Italy & China and, the brand is placed on the frame as per the wishes of the buyer . The quality is generally the same but the prices are not. Major brands will mark up their products several thousands of percentage points! The “exotic” options that used to “justify” this mark up are now available to all. Things like spring-hinges, anti-reflective coatings, mirror coatings, UVA/UVB treatments titanium frames etc are now common place. Lenses can be either glass or plastic (polycarbonate). Glass lenses are hundreds of times more scratch resistant but the trade off is that they can be heavier depending on style and model. You will get “ripped-off” more if you buy glass lenses. They are marketed as being better for a dozen reasons One of the BEST glass lenses on the market today is the “Serengeti Driver”, photo-chromatic lens. This lens darkens as it is exposed to UV light and the optical quality is tops, with NO aberrations but be prepared to shell out some good money (hundreds of dollars) Can you find this quality in a pair of $20 glasses? YES! Plastic (Polycarbonate) lenses have come a long way. The optical quality can be on par with the best glass lenses. (Within reason, let’s not talk telescopes and microscopes!). WHEN & WHERE TO BUY? All the new shipments are done is spring, with a follow –up in summer. Do NOT buy in the specialty sunglasses stores. Do not buy from your optical dispenser. These places are too expensive and carry only the top brands. Go to your department store or drug store. I have just purchased 2 pair of “Foster Grant” sunglasses with spring hinges, gradient mirrored coating on the outside, anti-reflective coating on the inside. Keep in mind they have 8 adult product lines. Each line has about 6 different styles. The following is from their flyer: “FosterGrant introduces the Jeff Gordon Driving Series. The product offering includes 42 styles with a suggested retail price ranging from $15 to $20. The line includes two product classifications, the Pro series and the Driving series. Both lines offer 100% UVA and UVB protection, spring hinges for added comfort and rubber coated plastic frames for a secure grip. “ I chose these because they passed all my tests. “Drivers” lenses (I like the amber color), AR coating, Spring hinges and great fit. I paid $19.23 Canadian. I purchased one pair at Zellers and another at Walmart. Both stores had just received a huge shipment so I was able so hunt through dozens until finding what I wanted. I compared them to my old Serengeti glasses and cannot find any difference in a number of tests. (They are of course polycarbonate and not glass). FINAL WORD OF WISDOM. Look for a style and lens color that you like. Look for a proper “fit” that offers good coverage for the eye. Get Spring hinges, they are more comfortable to put on and get off. Look for anti-reflective coating on the inside of the lens. (looks bluish in color). Watch for aberrations, differing shapes and patterns that appear as a faint prismatic ghost image when looking directly at the glasses. You can rejoice at having saved hundreds of dollars! Just think, you now have more money for your holidays. __________________ Vamonos pa' Cadiz !!

06-21-2004	#3 (permalink)
saxman way into it Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Sierra Nevada Foothills, CA Posts: 217	Thanks for the info This info is great. Additionally, those who fall into category 2 and just have to have the name might check out www(dot)overstock(dot)com. Last years styles mostly priced at $20 - $50. Most popular brands and styles.

06-21-2004	#2 (permalink)
tommy Rastaman Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Tx Posts: 12,845	I am in cat 1 as well....I am blind in my right eye and as Donna says cant see out the other...I wear Oakley's Straight Jackets..Have for about 8 year or so now...I swear by them...Polarized as well... I have bought them many Places...I am on my 4th pair in 8 years...Once because I stepped on them...I gave one pair to my cousin in March due to him not having any so Now I have 2 pairs...One I use for back-up and one for everyday use....I recommend these because they cover the whole eye...no sand or dirt gets in...I have used them riding Jet ski's,riding the river, and all that other kind of stuff...They run me around $120-130 depending on the place and sale...I bought this last pair at Sunglass Hut....I only buy Black or Silver frames...Amber lens...I cant stand a grey lens because it makes everything seem gloomy....They do a fantastic job at blocking out all the glare and uv's....I love them and swear by them...Plus if you break them you can send them to Oakley for about $20 and get them fixed or some new ones....(Frame only)....

06-21-2004	#4 (permalink)
Mikefrost beachaholic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saskatoon, SK Canada Posts: 250	I agree whole heartedly with sun seekers, there is nothing (that I have found) better than Oakleys. I've had M-Frames for pobably 15 years and the customer service is excellent anytime I've had a problem. I also own a pair of Zeroes that I use for everyday wear with contacts and a also a pair of Oakley prescription glasses. I believe that when I'm paying that extra mark up for a pair, I'm also getting great customer service. That's my two cents.

06-21-2004	#5 (permalink)
Bumper Class Clown Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 14,212	How about a category 3, which is unfortunate folks like me, who have to buy prescription sunglasses because they're virtually blind without corrective lenses and cannot wear contacts? How badly do I need glasses? Well, lets just say a chum said "Take off your glasses, and read that calendar on the wall." I complied, and responded, "What wall?" I require progressive prescription lenses. Believe me, you don't want to go there! My last pair of sunglasses cost me almost $800, but I have no option but to deal with a dispensing optician, and they've got you by the shorties.

06-21-2004	#8 (permalink)
tommy Rastaman Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Tx Posts: 12,845	I know what you mean...I do not go outside without Sunglasses except at night....I was shot in the eye at age 10 with a bb gun...Yes I know "you will shoot your eye out with that thing" seen the movie...anyway I use mine for protection as well as sunblock. My vision is 20/40-20/800 I can where One contact lens that is so thick I have to build a callus on my eye lid...Im out! my glasses have one prescription and one clear..I hope its awhile before I have to buy Prescription sunglasses....

06-21-2004	#9 (permalink)
Nerak936 añejo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Shore of Baahhstun, Massachusetts Posts: 23,229	I wear glasses (progressive lenses, Bump) and got clip-on polarized sunglasses for them (not the flip-up style (ugh), the ones that clip on the lenses in 4 places). They work really well, but generally when in the sun for a long period of time, I need either a visor or baseball cap to shield the light from up above. Luckily I found a cheap pair of sunglasses (discount store) to wear last month in Playa when I wore my contacts the days we snorkeled. My David had a pair of Oakleys that he loved. Note had. Can't find them anywhere. Men!! Get this one: I purposely went through the hassle of getting contacts specifically so I could finally see the fish clearly when snorkeling. AND... they're progressive contacts! So now I can read to the fish as I snorkel. As long as I hold the reading material out at arm's length.... Go figure.

06-21-2004	#10 (permalink)
Critter añejo Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cerca de Washington DC Posts: 3,343	20/600 here correctable to 20/30, new script every 6 moths to a year (cataract starting). Still managing with bifocals and the self tinting lenses (forget what they are called.) About 250 a pair. Contacts have to be semi-hard with a weighted lens. About 320. I have discovered that the last pair of contacts (98) I can wear while snorkeling and see fairly clearly. Cannot wear them out of the water for long, cause severe headache. Definitely a Cat 3 here.

06-21-2004	#12 (permalink)
tommy Rastaman Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Tx Posts: 12,845	she just felt sorry for me...She was a bartender along time ago and I sat at the bar everynight with a lonley tear in my beer..I was poor man really poor and it took 2 months of asking her out before she saidd yes...I think she just said yes so I would leave her alone... been together ever since...I just got lucky!!! I have no lens in my left eye and retna damage...they ay be able to do something now but 25 years ago they didnt know a whole lot....it would cost about 20k for a replacment lens and insurance wont cover it....mabe i will if something happens to my other eye.

06-22-2004	#15 (permalink)
ELECTRA reposado Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA (unfortunately) Posts: 1,080	True, a category 3 and of course 3.5 etc is needed : Those who need sunglasses but require corrective vision. I am fortunate that I can go around (travel/ sight see etc) without corrective vision. I do however have glasses for driving at night or seeing a stage production, a movie, whatever is far away etc. I bring them when I travel in case I need them. From what I have seen, most clip or magnetic clips that come with glasses feature a polycarbonate lens. The entire thing is "OK" in my humble opinion. But like most things that are "dual Purpose", they rarely do both tasks well.The quality of the dark clip-on leaves much to be desired. Those who are thinking of this option, I reccommend you consider the following. Have 1 pair of "clear" glasses and 1 pair of tinted that you will use as sunglasses. This way you can choose the color and darkness of the tint that you want. Now I know this may be prohibitively expensive...One money saving tip is to try to supply the frames for both pairs. Look for frames at the above-mentioned department stores. You will pay ~$20 for the frame instead of ~$200!!! Try to get ones that have screws that allow the removal of the lens (in the case of metal frames). Plastic frames are just a "snap-fit". I like the half frames. The ones that have metal on top and no frame on the bottom. The lens is held in place with a thin nylon line. In either case, always keep the original lens that comes with the frames. It can be used by the optical dispenser as a template for cutting your prescription lens. Difficult prescriptions (High + or High -)will always be more diffcult to fit into frames. Most other who have "Plug and Play" prescriptions should find the above tip useful. A couple more thoughts: Polarized lenses do need time getting used to. They are great around the water but some people find driving with them difficult as they tend to highlight prismatic reflections in windshields and glass. Photo-chromatic (automatic color darkening) lenses are great for most applications BUT will not fully darken when driving. The lenses are activated by UV and glass filters out most of the UV. Dark Grey lenses are the least desireable, someone mentioned above that they are depressing, I think so too. I find them too dark and furthermore, some tones of grey take away from the true colors of nature. Good luck!!

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