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AZGonzo 09-07-2017 11:40 AM

Shakedown???
 
I understand the occasional shakedown from the policia but twice in two trips? I must be doing something wrong. Last trip on Cozumel we were with friends in a rented dune buggy and got stopped along with the jeep in front of us for "driving on a non motorized vehicle road". No signs and we were certainly not the only ones on the road, but hey, our guests got to experience a Mexican Shakedown. Cost me 200 pesos. Us and the jeep ended up at the next bar and they only had to pay 150 pesos.

Yesterday we were taking our kids to catch their flight home. We were told to pull over at the checkpoint right before the exit to the airport and the Policia asked for my ID, rental agreement, etc. Then asked me to open the trunk of our rented SUV. I met him at the back where he had no intention of searching our bags but told me "one of us" was not wearing a seatbelt (my wife in the back seat). 3500 pesos at the station or 1000 pesos right there. Of course, I paid him since my kids needed to make that flight to get home for work. Did I have a choice?

So...2 shakedowns in 2 trips. We are not flashy people and we have never experienced this in our 25+ years visiting RM. I figured those guys were more worried about Cartel, etc, but I guess they target Turistas as well. Normal?

Babaloo 09-07-2017 12:03 PM

Paying bribes only perpetuates the problem.
Your choice? Ask for the ticket.
First, he probably wouldn't have given you one and second, the fine is not that much.
Paying a bribe is illegal.
Stop doing it.

absoluteAL 09-07-2017 12:27 PM

Babaloo is 100% spot on. If the can get the easy money, they will keep doing it to other suckers. Yes, ask for the ticket as Babaloo said.
I was stopped by a Cancun Transit Police just north of Cancun airport several months ago. I knew that I had broken no laws. By the time the police clown reached my car window, I had all of my documents (drivers license, insurance, registration) in hand and ready for him. He walked back to his truck (his "supervisor" was in the drivers seat) to consult. After a few minutes he walked back to my car, handed me the documents back, and told my that my windows were tinted too dark. I told him that I would drive with the window down......and that was that.
Stand your ground IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
BTW, not wearing your seat belt and/or talking on your cell phone while driving are fine-able offenses.

ryberg 09-07-2017 12:47 PM

Yes, the supervisor is always present. :)

And yes, best to be very cooperative and wait for the ticket, which as Rick says, will usually not be forthcoming, anyway, and then you won't have this bad taste in your mouth from the experience and will not possibly have contributed to the continuation of the problem.

WaterRat 09-07-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AZGonzo (Post 2192843)
I understand the occasional shakedown from the policia but twice in two trips? I must be doing something wrong. Last trip on Cozumel we were with friends in a rented dune buggy and got stopped along with the jeep in front of us for "driving on a non motorized vehicle road". No signs and we were certainly not the only ones on the road, but hey, our guests got to experience a Mexican Shakedown. Cost me 200 pesos. Us and the jeep ended up at the next bar and they only had to pay 150 pesos.

Yesterday we were taking our kids to catch their flight home. We were told to pull over at the checkpoint right before the exit to the airport and the Policia asked for my ID, rental agreement, etc. Then asked me to open the trunk of our rented SUV. I met him at the back where he had no intention of searching our bags but told me "one of us" was not wearing a seatbelt (my wife in the back seat). 3500 pesos at the station or 1000 pesos right there. Of course, I paid him since my kids needed to make that flight to get home for work. Did I have a choice?

So...2 shakedowns in 2 trips. We are not flashy people and we have never experienced this in our 25+ years visiting RM. I figured those guys were more worried about Cartel, etc, but I guess they target Turistas as well. Normal?

I agree with the other responses.

However, let's go back to square one:

I'm sorry that you missed the signs (that's plural), that the road you were driving on was for non-motorized vehicles. Hate to think of what the fine would be for the same infraction here.

Everyone in the car needs to wear their seatbelt. Was there a reason that your wife should be exempt? The first and last time I got a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt, it cost me $125.00. It was off for about 30 seconds so that I could access my phone. The Washington State patrolman didn't care if it was 5 seconds. The fine applies to the driver as well as all passengers.

You'll have a lot more leverage if you don't break the laws.

AZGonzo 09-07-2017 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterRat (Post 2192862)
I agree with the other responses.

However, let's go back to square one:

I'm sorry that you missed the signs (that's plural), that the road you were driving on was for non-motorized vehicles. Hate to think of what the fine would be for the same infraction here.

Everyone in the car needs to wear their seatbelt. Was there a reason that your wife should be exempt? The first and last time I got a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt, it cost me $125.00. It was off for about 30 seconds so that I could access my phone. The Washington State patrolman didn't care if it was 5 seconds. The fine applies to the driver as well as all passengers.

You'll have a lot more leverage if you don't break the laws.

You're right all my fault...

Bluespicker 09-07-2017 03:36 PM

I thought you weren't required to wear a seatbelt in the back seats in the Qroo.

rob mackay 09-07-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluespicker (Post 2192879)
I thought you weren't required to wear a seatbelt in the back seats in the Qroo.

i know years ago,,it was just the driver.....they still send dump trucks to pick up the workers for the large condo buildings...and they just stand up in the back....

AZGonzo 09-07-2017 07:27 PM

Saw a woman driving a scooter down Constituentes...holding an infant like a football.

So...I should just ask for the ticket? Even when they tell me we can pay here or go to the police station? Hold my ground?

Babaloo 09-07-2017 07:49 PM

Whether you were actually breaking the law or not,
always demand a ticket.
Never, ever pay on the spot.

WaterRat 09-07-2017 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babaloo (Post 2192917)
Whether you were actually breaking the law or not,
always demand a ticket.
Never, ever pay on the spot.

What's the procedure?
You get the ticket, then what?

steve71 09-07-2017 09:52 PM

Mexican bud of mine got pulled over drunk out of his mind (in my country you loose your licence for at least 2 years for something like this + a very very hefty fine+ to get your licence back you have to pass a psych test, so basically you are screwed), cops brought him back to the station to spend the night and the next day in the morning he was on his way with a 400 Pesos fine. Thats's all!!!!! So you definitely got screwed over, either way!

Sue 09-07-2017 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterRat (Post 2192934)
What's the procedure?
You get the ticket, then what?

They take your license and write a ticket. You go to the station and pay the ticket and get your license back. But often when a cop realizes he isn't going to get any pocket money from you, he loses interest and just let's you go.

ryberg 09-07-2017 10:14 PM

Exactly. If it's legit — you did something wrong and a ticket is merited — well then you'll get one. (Or I dunno, you may still get off, if they're feeling nice that day or something.)

If it's not legit — if it is, as you say, a shakedown — then the cop will just need the requisite amount of time to realize that you're not going to play along and offer a bribe, at which point it's way more hassle to write you the ticket and go through the procedures and way less money, too, as others who are going right by while the cop stands there, wasting time with you, might be better targets. So you'll be sent on your way with some sort of story and warning.

Babaloo 09-07-2017 10:43 PM

EDIT:
Answered :)


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